A good pair of these would really satisfy your footwear style needs for a really long time. The double monks a little harder but getting there. if I like a pair of suede Edward Greens chelseas and Meermin (or Allen Edmond or Loake) chelseas the same out of the box, would I enjoy the EG uppers longer because theyre of a higher grade suede? Good arch support that's sculpted to he foot instead of the PNW Ladder rung shape. I believe shoes like Meermin have a place in Menswear. Vibram FiveFingers: M43, they're shaped like feet. Some heel slip until broken in. Thanks for taking the time to reply. So do only the toes get more room or is the hole shoe more roomier? And they are one of the very few brands offering something for the ladies. Anyone that gets these Carmina shoes for their wardrobe would be getting some of the best style statements of their lives. Leo 9.5E: Excellent fit with thin socks. Its just the next level up. Topics include a wide range of brands from Crockett & Jones to Guidi. Initially I tried 9E because many people recommend 1/2 size down and 1 width up for this last. That said, something in the post did strike me negatively, on a subject I previously had been puzzled about: appraisal of Allen Edmonds. I can fully close the balmoral lacing most of the way up for an ideal look. Can you please comment on the poor quality of English soles mentioned. Can add that you can find a review of Carlos Santos here on Shoegazing: https://shoegazing.com/2015/09/06/review-carlos-santos-7201-braga-cognac/. Also I feel the toe space is a bit too narrow. Similar articles on suits, jackets, shirts etc are desperately needed. CNES has a larger range of casual shoe styles off the rack but Fugashin is more refined with better hand details and more elegant last shapes. Theyre a good place to start: a baseline of quality. A couple of years ago, I returned two pairs of Oxfords that needed resoling after less than ten wears each. . I shouldn't have slept on it), Monitaly Shawl Field Jacket - Black Herringbone 38, The unofficial NMWA Buy/Sell Thread (a.k.a. if youre going to write mean spirited attacks on someone you shouldnt be surprised that they defend themselves and reply in kind Thats generally why so many people, or at least readers, like shoes from these other brands. E.g. Please use this thread to list your sizing in various lasts compared to your Brannock size. Yes literally hard as rock but very nice looking in their box.. Agree Alan, buyer beware that they are extremely hard to break in. The Jermyn Street stores are run by a franchisee. Alden Trublanace 9D: Far more volume than I need and a lot of play side to side in the ankle area but certainly comfortable. However, after having broken in the heel of my 9.5E MP, I feel like I would have actually been just fine going straight 9.5E. Avoid if you have a low instep or wide feet. Good to have it spelt out, Michael is correct when simply paying a US retailer for a Northampton shoe, but Ive purchased over 20 pairs of English shoes and boots over the past 18 months, all directly from a myriad of U.K. retailers and stockists and in some cases, the factory directly. Bored of counting likes on social networks? Viberg 2020 8.5 Stitchdown: Pretty snug, cannot wear boot socks in. The quality Crockett & Jones is now significantly better than Trickers, both sole and uppers. Noel it is precisely the point you make that has been behind my long standing decision to stay with C&J over all these years. By the way, the customer service at Skolyx is excellent. Plain black Oxfords from Churchs who are near the rail station. Using these focus points, lets get into the comparison of these two shoe brands: Also, the materials of the Meermin shoes are flexible and stretchable enough to accommodate most feet. 8.5D may have worked with thinner socks. I returned this pair. The heel is the most notably roomier and the length actually seems to be the same. This I find quite interesting, since you certainly arent the only one. In the long run you will always regret buying a pair that ticks all the boxes, but doesnt have a good fit. Just make sure Trickers does not end up too chunky for you. Certainly if I looked at them close up I could tell, and I could also tell if I was wearing them. Not least their finer ranges are really nice IMO. Some can only be purchased at high upcharge compared to what they cost in Europe, while some can be bought from European retailers with free shipping, VAT deducted and no customs charge (as long as below $800) so they come out 15-20% cheaper than they cost in Europe. The subreddit about quality footwear. Grant Stone Alexander 8.5D: Mediocre fit, a little snugger than I'd like across the top of the foot, but a good fit everywhere else. With Meermins, you get a refined-classy style that is set to rule the modern scene. As you mentioned, the C&J sole is flat and not very detailed, but the leather is thick but very supple and significantly more comfortable than any other shoe I have over the course of the day. . Its an entirely stupid thing to say, not least because most of the leather used on the soles of English shoes are from European tanneries. Where would you fit in Carlos Santos? I have had a painted patina on several shoes see Berluti here, Dandy here, Carreducker here and G&G here. I do appreciate your recommendations to other blogs/websites/magazines as its not always easy to spot good work in the vast numbers of style websites. Good engineer last and terrible service boot, there's a reason they never went production on em. But the key issue from my point of view is that AE offers 10 widths across all the models in their portfolio, where none of the Northamptoners are able to offer more than 2 and only for very few of their models. Do you think that this pair are too smart: https://www.afinepairofshoes.co.uk/products/berwick-1707-penny-loafer-9628-dark-brown-suede?variant=19309209288766&utm_medium=cpc&utm_source=google&utm_campaign=Google%20Shopping&gclid=EAIaIQobChMI5ZCblaOs6gIVdBPTCh32aAttEAEYASABEgKcGvD_BwE, Would this pair be better suited: https://www.carminashoemaker.com/penny-loafers-brown-suede-80113. The latter is more obvious on the outside of a shoe, and you would certainly get less with Alden for example. I suppose they get away with it because the overwhelming majority of their customers arent that knowledgeable about shoes or leather quality. The nicest pair of shoes I own is a pair of JM Weston oxfords (from their main line, not the Blake line), and I have to work to tell the difference between the two (Weston has shaped heels, for example). Unfortunately almost all clothing has diminishing returns as you pay more, and thats certainly the case with shoes. This is what separates them from the suit debate. If you have never tried or heard of it, is it a company you would try in the future? Obviously also a difference style of shoe, but those companies spend so much on marketing and sales compared to these makers, that they are inevitably worse value purely from a quality point of view. Porter?). I have also tried on shoes from Yanko and Septieme Largeur. C&J E vs. F, does the wider shoe has the same heel fit/width than the smaller one? very snug in the toes. The alternative is leather board read the rest of the article and youll see it. NF Bootmaker 43.5: Had these modified for a wider waist as the 44 was a bit long. I have loafers on their Xim and they're too big for my by a hair. What Id like to know is how much higher quality will the Trickers be over the Myrqvists? Simon, I was wondering what are your thoughts on Sanders. The next level of price is below 250. Would you stick to brands such as Alden, EG, (or else) for RTW ? For someone who was a first time buyer of Northampton shoes, that process was indispensable. Not sure I'd feel the same today. I wear the same size in rain shell as in xim unlined. Id be interested to see a reference for the made in Asia comment in the article. Our builds will give about .25 size in the long run, on average. For more comparison, check these pairs out:CARMINA SHOESMEERMIN SHOES. Would these look good suits ( navy/grey) and trousers ) blues/grey/green/white etc.) A couple of corrections on your US list Simon. Ive spent up to $2000 on a suit or sports jacket or coat on various occasions but have never spent more than $350 on a pair of shoes. Former Affiliate Vendor Threads; a Locked Forum. Will they last much longer? All Enzos were tried as oxfords and have comfortable insteps with no gap, * **Fugashin Saigon unknown wholecut last** 8UK comfortable, good instep for oxford, * **Gaziano Girling DG70** 8.5EUK comfortable. Permanent Style is the UK authority on classic and luxury menswear. To be clear, I dont know what they use. HOK 9: Acceptable fit. It requires more knowledge to be able to see the difference between welted shoes at different stages of the quality segment, in general. I did have a little heel slip in the beginning that went away. * **Oriental Shoemaker unknown oxford last** 8.5US is comfortable but instep is too low. Asics GT2000: 11 - Perfect fit. Hi Simon, do you know if JM Westons shoes are at a similar level to Crockett&Jones Handgrade? Rancourt's lasting seems very inconsistent. Or about 9.5D right foot and 9.4D left foot. Carmina vs Meermin: First glance Its a comfortable, yet roomy fit. (I think I prefer the darker colour of the first). Ended up selling years later. A nice watch is also showing something. Create an account to follow your favorite communities and start taking part in conversations. I mean, things can go wrong, I see no problems with that, but then it has to be handled properly and fixed (Ive had a finished pair redone from two different makers, in one case it was since an error was made on one of the things modified on the lasts from the fitting shoe, on the other a small damage happened when the lasts was pulled. In fact at some point I wondered whether you were being protectionist of Northampton makers by apparently shunning AE, but then I could not see anywhere else that could be like you. Im a regular customer of both Jermyn Street shops and the customer service Ive consistently experienced over many years has been exceptionally good, significantly better than Ive experienced in some other, more expensive establishments that will be well known to readers of this blog. The quality of the leather on my particular pair isnt as good as the Loake 1880 (or any of the other brands) but overall these are a well constructed pair of shoes. Red Wing 8 last 9D: Decent fit at first, fairly comfortable once broken in. This is the next level down of Spanish brands, more on a par with the Swedish start-ups in terms of quality, but much bigger organisations. Carmina shoes are good shoes that firmly grip your feet for extra balance and stability. Most of our ready to wear production goes from size 6UK to 12UK, but if you happen to wear a smaller or larger size, we can definitely help & specially make any pair from our collection for you. meister Stylish Dinosaur Joined Feb 10, 2007 Messages 10,772 Reaction score 2,515 Dec 28, 2011 #9 Both of my pinky toes stick slightly out, sometimes I say I have splayed toes, but it's really just the pinky toe on each foot likes a bit of room. Many thanks, * **Vass P2** EU41.5 comfortable fit but too much toe volume and instep. Perhaps if I lived in Spain I would got to a Carmina store to gauge their quality and service. How to measure your feet. Carminas just dont break down easily. You talk a lot about nicer shoes on PS and how they are much nicer. Santoni I have experienced, and I would say the same. In the end I find it would be the most comfortable of all three lasts. Some of the best dress shoes that you can get with your money today are the Carminas and the Meermins. You might also care more with a dress oxford than a casual loafer. The sort of thing that Septieme Largeur really excel in . I have handled several other pairs of C&J and this quality to the leather is consistent throughout. Would really appreciate any advice you can give! Wesco MP1339 9E: It's alright, toe box is really low and the gusset take up volume running the whole way up the boot as it is fully gusseted. I recently started to be more careful about how I track my wardrobe spending. You will find that most Meermin shoes are poorly finished when compared to the quality Goodyear Welting of the Carmina shoes. document.getElementById("ak_js_1").setAttribute("value",(new Date()).getTime()); Footslide.com is a full-time participant of the Amazon Associates Program, an affiliate advertising program designed to provide a means for sites to earn advertising fees by advertising and linking to Amazon.com, 2023 Footslide.com | All Rights Reserved. They use plastic heel stiffeners, and the make is solid and English - not that refined. You always get something more for your money (if you avoid big brands/designers) but the best value-for-money options will nearly always have been selected already by the cheaper brand. First impressions tell us most of what we need to know about certain products. Many thanks for your prompt response most helpful. Hmm, thanks for highlighting that Francois. Because the level is higher, and also because I wasnt that impressed with Myrqvist either, personally. No issues on 5+ hour rides. Rancourt 115 9D: Great fit. * **Midas Bootmaker Landshaker** 42EU excellent fit with room to wiggle toes in medium socks. Meermin Ron 8E UK: Snug in every direction and noticeably narrow, but wearable with no socks. Bespoke obviously solves this but I dont care enough about the other elements you get and pay for with bespoke, or perhaps I just think 2k+ is too much and I suspect (hope?) Ive always found the customer service at EG shocking. Thankfully, that isnt true of all high end companies that Ive experienced and, in general, I have found that the quality of the service matches that of the product. They're also very flexible to work with. This helped me understand why sizing as 10D was actually very bad advice and never worked out well. For a better experience, please enable JavaScript in your browser before proceeding. I am asking because this difference has never really been clear to me. If you don't have a lot of volume I would be pretty cautious with their loafers. Im afraid Im not great on recommending sizing issues like that. Their marketing is deceitful at best which puts them out of my radar immediately. document.getElementById( "ak_js_1" ).setAttribute( "value", ( new Date() ).getTime() ); document.getElementById( "ak_js_2" ).setAttribute( "value", ( new Date() ).getTime() ); Above all of these. Edward Green)? Please take a look. I have a pair of black calf oxfords from Morjas and the leather feels rather cheap: it looks like patent leather, only matte not shiny. A pair of EG Chelseas bought today are just as good as a pair bought ten years ago as will be a pair bought in ten years time. I just read on an Spanish forum that Meermin and Carmina used to buy together batches of leather from the same place. It hails from Meermin's Classic Collection, which is the less expensive of the two lines, at 160euro/pair (or roughly $205). Simon as always your articles are informative and an education. Its a helpful round up, especially since I find this price bracket to be a sweet spot for my own purposes. 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