>He also must have recognized> the voice, considering that her voice is somewhat deep and throaty with a> tinge of distinctive accent. Well at least you're ostensibly modest enough to acknowledge yourunfamiliarity with such a concept, but then you proceed to betray yourdumb, sniggering agenda by perpetuating your ignorance with adismissive, anti-intellectual fart: > My extra-fat dictionary yields the> following: "rhi'zome, n. A rootlike stem under or along the ground,> ordinarily in a horizontal position, which usually sends out roots from> from its lower surface and leafy shoots from its upper surface.". <<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<, > The poolroom scene is an amazing piece of extreme understatement, while at. I mean hewas filmed only in england, but the photography behind him in thatglove clapping shot is projected or whatever and so that means that hedidn't care that mucha bout switching things around like actresses andstuff, it's about masks anyway the movie is. >> First of all, Mandy must have felt some connection with Bill since he was> showing her concern and kindness in the Bathroom. WebEyes Wide Shut (1999) Abigail Good: Mysterious Woman, Masked Party Principal Showing all 3 items Jump to: Quotes (3) Quotes Mysterious Woman : Stop! Not only are they the REAL "anti-intellectuals," they were schizoid as hell and projected it onto the social mess, creating political gibberish, that has NO usefulness to anyone. In a > case like that a pwerson would go through the various possibilities in his > mind, but he was kinda busy. Ironically, that is just what power (and Ziegler)would want you to believe - that the world of power and power elitesdoesn't exist, is just all a charade anyway, that those who dorecognise the realities of social power and of desire are justparanoid conspiracy nutters (when in fact it is those whoattribute all that occurs in the film to 'a dream' who are beingproperly paranoid). The big question is how did the mask get there, and who left it? He treated her as a not-very-importantpatient; no Mandys attend Bill's upmarket surgery. WebDirected by Stanley Kubrick Writing Credits Cast (in credits order) verified as complete Produced by Music by Jocelyn Pook Cinematography by Larry Smith (lighting >>>>>>>>>>> And why should anyone accept> anything Ziegler says, someone who contemptibly dismisses this woman> (or women) as "a hooker. AmericanCinematographer did some thing on the lighting or something in thismovie when it came out, but David Mullen who used to post here (whenthis place was even worse) could answer like anything. Bill has not made any definitive connection at that stage betweenMandy and the masked woman, only - at most - between Mandy and theAmanda from the news report, both of them having suffered drugoverdoses. This is Eyes Wide Shut revisited. This website has Julienne Davis listed with photos--in all three scenes! (2) With AT&T recently announcing that they will dump almost all of their public pay phones, where can he change? I am normally the last guy in the> world to criticize somebody for using big words. In keeping with the filmmaker's quest for perfection, the shoot for Eyes Wide Shut famously rolled on, with the movie holding the record for the longest consecutiveshoot, as filming began in late 1996 and wrapped in mid-1998. People and Masks: The Meaning of Eyes Wide Shut. The masked woman was played by a different actor but is the samecharacter. > <<<<<<< after> visiting the morgue, as his disbelief at Ziegler's explanation> indicated. Bill is still even denying he knows what Zeigler > is talking about till Zeigler says "I was there at the house. WebThe bodies of more completely nude masked women assail Bills voyeuristic eyes (and those of the audience). In fact, the only actual dream in the film is unseen, is onlylater described - namely, Alice's dream/nightmare about having sexwith numerous men (strikingly similar to the fate of the women atSomerton) in which Bill is openly humiliated, and told to Bill justafer he returns from Somerton. These ceremonies must have been a big customenr for his former patient. <<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<, > This is still a mystery. and then Bill says, "..you can't keep doing >> this," Mandy says, "Ya." That is what she was" implying that her death> is of no consequence because of the low-status manner in which Ziegler> chooses to define her (an identity created and perpetuated by the> Zieglers of the world in the first place), earlier confirmed by his> desire to get the drugged-out Mandy out of his bathroom and house> ("Can we put some clothes on her and get her out of here?" There are many aspects of it that ARE still a > mystery such as I was suggesting with the costume. (Video in comments) : r/Ghostbc Jocelyn Pook and Opening Title Music from Eyes Wide Shut (1999) | walkerhomeschoolblog. It is also perhaps worth pointing out that the Somerton events, thoughso described in countless reviews and commentaries on the film - arenot accurately called an orgy, as that would imply that female, inaddition to male, sexual desire would find free expression at such anevent. So if instead, he replayed Alice's voice (or Ziegler's voice) thiswould 'prove' that the body was that of Alice (or Ziegler)? The point, however, is that even if all three female'characters' are the same woman (and so, effectively, the samecharacter), this serves to set up even more contradictions, not tomention buying in to Ziegler's warped, patriarchal world. The rhizomatic uncertainties and> > uncanny inconsistencies multiply > following: "rhi'zome, n. A rootlike stem under or along the ground,> ordinarily in a horizontal position, which usually sends out roots from> from its lower surface and leafy shoots from its upper surface. I had absolutely no idea you were involved in any way. I'm sorry, but this has to be said: I'm pretty sure I know what you mean, but the way you're saying it is silly. But examine the frame showing the overhead shot in the morgue, with all the shots of Mandy in the bathroom. He only ultimately accepts Ziegler's account because itgives him a convenient alibi (as well as because of Ziegler's powerfulposition - Bill is Ziegler's man, obeying his orders, subscribing tothe demands and realities of Ziegler's world). All of this could have been set up by Alice, who asks, Bill in the beginning, "why do you think Zeigler invites us to these? -- Steven L.Email: sdli@earthlinkNOSPAM.net, http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oB6g66OYoKI, "Steven L." wrote in message. >, but, besides that you're> not bothering, even, to use them correctly, the way that you are using them> serves to obfuscate rather than clarify your meaning. At what point do we decide whether Corpse Mandy's very slight, single frame, mini-wink and subsequent eye movement was intended? WebBrowse a wide selection of eyes wide shut mask woman and face coverings available in various fabrics and configurations, made by a community of small business-owners. - Zieglerwasn't concerned about her health, just eager to get rid of her so asto avoid any potential social embarrassment, "Bill, this is justbetween us"). To take Tess or Barry Lyndon in the same context is perhaps moreappropriate to various periods stylistically divergent from an intentor device for Picasso to depict women;- a later advancement thatneedn't further qualification than figures posed in gold, as was aliteral premium exacted upon proceeds, so written by one later model,over stipends derived from the estate. You're coming across as yet another FUCKING TROLL!! "anachoronistic Deleuze and Guattari? He obtains the secret password to a clandestine masked ball, where he has a seductive encounter with a beautiful stranger. The second half of Eyes Wide Shut sees Bill being given ominous warnings from this secret society, and he can't seem to find his mask from the party. and then Bill says, "..you can't keep doing this," Mandy says, "Ya." Orgy? When we see the naked corpse's face from the overhead shot, at first it's hard to tell if it's really Mandy's face, because of the expression and the angle, her combed back hair etc. Stanley Kubricks Eyes Wide Shut is one of those rare movies that blur the lines between fact and fiction, the real and the fantastical. In a buddhist sutra, Sakyamuni, criticized the compulsive mental masturbators and referred to them as people "counting ganges sands." He only ultimately acceptsZiegler's account because itgives him a convenient alibi (as well as because of Ziegler's powerfulposition - Bill is Ziegler's man, obeying his orders, subscribing tothe demands and realities of Ziegler's world). -Herodotus, You do not have permission to delete messages in this group, Either email addresses are anonymous for this group or you need the view member email addresses permission to view the original message, I thought the woman who ODd at the dance party (Mandy), the woman who, Well, in the interview with "Mandy" - I don't care to look up her name, Here is a youtube video of "Mandy" (Julienne Davis), singing in her band, I sent a message to the YouTube person who hosted those "Mandy" videos if. He wasn't positive. > Take another listen. Eyes Wide Shut is a 1999 erotic mystery psychological drama film directed, produced and co-written by Stanley Kubrick. <<<<<<<<<<<. It would be odd for him to say, "orgy," or ritual, etc. I am normally the last guy in theworld to criticize somebody for using big words, but, besides that you'renot bothering, even, to use them correctly, the way that you are using themserves to obfuscate rather than clarify your meaning. The way Zeigler confirms it was Mandy is matter of fact and it isn't as though Bill seemed surprised at this--even if the audience might still be confused. Carolin Ruwe, in her book Symbols in Stanley Kubrick's Movie 'Eyes Wide Shut', argues that the mask is the prime symbol of the film. I don't think there were any other dreams, although the redpool table scene always seemed the most dreamlike to me. > Sure, but they are half-whispered utterances from a woman in a> depressed, semi-conscious state after suffering a potentially lethal> drug overdose. In contrast, why does the masked woman seeminglyalready know much more than they do? -- Fred Brooks, I think I saw the "Rhizomatic" for sale on TV Late last night. And if this firgure was Ziegler, why would he subsequentlysend a naked masked woman over to Bill for his benefit? No, it was just set up that way, as a puzzle, so that there would beendless discussion. reinforced bythe simple observation that you have never actually posted here before[at least under your supplied handle/ID]. ME> Again. Well thats all true, but of course that was SK making a masterpiece and one of the most amazing films ever made IMO. > Well I hope you see now that this is clear after reading the dialogue. Again. I think the voice would have rung a bell and > the Newspaper story rang a bell, with the name Amanda, and of course > seeing the corpse of someone who may have sacrificed her life for him--so > he was in shock. It's profoundly, structurally, indeterminate >>> 1. so drugged out as to have been clearly incapable of making sense ofanything and 2. never actually spoke (just some unintelligiblemumbling),<<<. Take another listen. ", wrote:> In rec.arts.movies.past-films Harry Bailey . Changes within the building seem to lack that phone booth sense of urgency and drama. There are many, many readings of the story available, with the movie itself embracing a sort of dream/nightmare logic. The "over the rainbow" remark earlier at Zeigler's party was already a suggestion for Bill to think of his patient who owned "Rainbow Fashions." >In a big crowd of masked> people, Zeigler (his eyes give away who he is). And if it's *not* supposed to be obvious, thatmeans that Polanski screwed up. > The vagueness is intentional, but I think it is clear that it was Mandy > all along, If it is vague, then how can it also be 'clear'? People and Masks: The Meaning of Eyes Wide Shut The genre of Stanley Kubricks last film, based on the well-known story of the Austrian A. Schnitzler, The Of course, Bill didn't 'know' - at least, not in any objective orcrystal-clear empirical sense. What's going on?>> Wasn't the woman in the mask a lot skinnier than the ODd woman?? You can identify Pollacks eyes and chin quite easily in the close ups. :>released around the same time, The Ninth Gate. (3) With the advent of cyberspace, and just simple disinterest many newspaper companies have gone under. So check out Mandy's Wink on the slab---it's very fast, but it is there:), Yeah but he used the same actor for different roles in Dr Strangeloveand in some scenes of Eyes Wide Shut he has Cruise on a treadmillagainst a blue screen using real photography of NYC behind him, thenin the next scene Cruise is filmed against a set in england. He's super modern too, so his favorite movies include Jaws, Die Hard, The Thing, Ghostbusters and Batman. >Apparently word of Bill's entry into the ceremony/orgy traveled fast. One intriguing reading of the Eyes Wide Shut mask being on the pillow is that it's only in Bill's head as if he's exhausted by trying to hide his attempts at infidelity or true feelings from Alice, leading to an emotional breakdown. If it'ssupposed to be obvious, then why is it treated as such a great revelation,and why is a character who is presented as being reasonably intelligentso dense as not to see it? Yes, and we could speculate even further: there are no dream sequenceswhatsoever in the film, Alice's story about the navel officer being arecollection of her past desires, not a portrayed dream as such atall. and she replies, "Better," and then when Bill says, "you are a very lucky girl," Mandy says, "I know." <<<<<<<<<<<<<. --Napoleon. > Even Sk was not perfect in that way-----or was hethere is another > mystery. You saw > her volunteer to sacrifice herself so the orgy managers would let Doctor > Cruise go free.>> If the woman in the mask had been the same woman as Mandy, you would have > expected some recognition of that from Doctor Cruise. orpsychotherapists. First of all, Mandy must have felt some connection with Bill since he was showing her concern and kindness in the Bathroom. <<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<. that Bill first makes this connection, or at least, hasit confirmed by someone else (Ziegler). How manypayments of $19.99 was that, again?-- "History is a lie agreed upon." How? Even in the morgue he still might not have been positive, but he replays her voice in his head while looking over the body. Tragically it was the director's final film with Kubrick dying less than a week after screening an incomplete cut for the studio and its stars. It's pronounced Paw-rick, not Pad-raig. As though testing how well Bill's implanted suggestions had taken..????? It's not like > he is going to voice all his thoughts.>>>, >> >>>>>> But which 'party' is Bill referring to? WebChords for Backward Priests, normal version of Masked Ball Eyes wide shut with lyrics. > He didn't recognise her voice. Crumb Eye. The twenty-something woman confirmed she and her partner Leonard are polyamorous. Much of what we have seen is Bill's non-verbal reactions to > all this, which is full of shock and bewilderment. Desire is always Other. Those critics of EWS must have been delerious. Web1-48 of 339 results for "Eyes Wide Shut Mask" RESULTS Price and other details may vary based on product size and color. Before warning him, the <<<<<<<<<<. <<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<. > So if instead, he replayed Alice's voice (or Ziegler's voice) this> would 'prove' that the body was that of Alice (or Ziegler)? - Ziegler> wasn't concerned about her health, just eager to get rid of her so as> to avoid any potential social embarrassment, "Bill, this is just> between us").>>> What is interesting is that the film's very ambiguity concerning the> identities of the three women (Mandy, masked woman, woman in morgue),> sets up a desire to 'fill in' all the film's narrative gaps and> deadlocks, a desire to shut down such uncertainty, to give - just like> Ziegler - an easy, 'commonsensical' black and white 'explanation' of> events. That is a possible explanation. >>>>>>>>>>That would not be valuable or insightful speculation, but a totaldenial of most of what happens in the film (another variation of 'it'sall just a dream', everything being attributable to the delusions ofBill's mind, a denial of the world of social power, similar to sayingthat everything that happens to Jack Torrance in The Shining is all'in his mind'). Isn't that - again - amazing; except that you're not even unfortunateenough to have a mindless head, given the large quantities ofbubblewrap - and nothing else - between your ears take care, MrKelpless. It's a kind of dissassociation from reality, and an obsessive flight of ideas, into endless, words and meta-words. Given that you have, as you already admitted, absolutely nounderstanding of the terms used or indeed the context in which theywere used, your pedantry is now exposed as pure and contemptiblefraudulence. > Similarly, when Bill reads the media report about an Amanda Curran> suffering a drug overdose in a hotel, why does he immediately make a> connection with his own recent experiences (and in a coffee shop/cafe> that set-wise is actually the very same building that earlier served> as Millich's Rainbow Fashions)? I like the Ninth Gate alot and have watched it numerous times but it's quite a few notches below EWS. While Polanski is the master ofparanoia, The Ninth Gate had too many things wrong with it. Alot was going on, he had to figure it out. And the Somerton ritual is alsoambiguous; how, or rather why, for instance, does the masked womanupon first meeting the masked Bill, assert with such certainty that"You shouldn't be here", then followed by repeated warnings that hiscontinued presence at the ritual will get him in trouble? I think it is clear he was referring to the Somerton party. So is Ziegler lying? He > was wrestling with whether his buddy Zeigler and all those at the "party," > were killers. Plus there is *no* *way* that a rare bookdealer would smoke anywhere near a book of which there are only threecopies in existence. When Bill asks what, she simply responds, "Fuck." Eyes Wide Shut developed after Stanley Kubrick read Arthur Schnitzler's Dream Story in 1968, when Kubrick was looking for a project to follow 2001: A Space Odyssey. Kubrick was interested in adapting the story, and with the help of journalist Jay Cocks, bought the filming rights to the novel. or psychotherapists. When Bill thinks hes just about to score his own sexual liaison, his charade is exposed. Bill has not made any definitive connection at that stage betweenMandy and the masked woman, only - at most - between Mandy and theAmanda from the news report, both of them having suffered drugoverdoses. And isn't this the mistake that many of the film'scritics made, reading Ziegler's story as 'ruining' the mystery,desublimating the film's narrative by means of an all-neat-and-tidydenouement? He had no reason to think Zeigler was at Somerton, till Zeigler tells him. Models at the party attended by the Royal Family. Is that how youwould describe it? > it is clearly the same voice as the "mysterious woman." (and i'm sure that doesn't even begin to label them in full) They were nutcases. Nah, the only dreams in the movie are the one that Alice tells to Billand then Bill "daydreams' (thinks about) her having sex with thatsailor. ", and for those whom may have something like an actual interest in, > In rec.arts.movies.past-films Kelpzoidzl <. It is as if he Wanted, as if hedesired, compelled, it to be so again, its at two - simultaneousbut contradictory - levels (as ALWAYS in many of Kubrick's films -like in The Shining: are the spectral ghosts 'real' or is Jack etcimagining them? >> When we see the news article about dead Mandy, it says "Beauty Queen"> but how did Bill know that was the same woman who ODd or helped him at> the orgy, since he never knew the real name of either? : I like the Ninth Gate alot and have watched it numerous times but it's quite. and she >> replies, "Better," and then when Bill says, "you are a very lucky girl," >> Mandy says, "I know." 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